Porn is a different kettle of fish and if women are not watching it their tastes are not catered for. With more female investors, directors etc this is slowly changing. Women consume huge amounts of romance and erotica and I believe there is a gap in the visual market. I do not have stats or research on this and we may have to agree to disagree :) . I'm going to have to trawl Netflix and find this mountain of nude male content you say is there. I just wonder where and how I'm missing it. We don't have Hulu in Ireland. I know there is something called Passionflix I must check it out. I'm not really thinking about Hollywood or arty productions either. I am selfishly defining mainstream as anywhere I usually engage with visual stories. I'm waiting patiently on the new Bridgerton series which is shifting the goalposts. (No male nudity but it's yummy). Anyhoooo I'll keep writing erotic romance novels and have my screenplays lined up for production. I'll definitely send you a free ticket for the male nudity and swinging cocks. :)
Assuming this is not a rhetorical question but one asked out of ignorance. If you are asking for it in the genuine sense outside the venue of pornography there is always the plethora of arthouse movies that show up on streaming sites and equate to smut with a convoluted story. These streaming sites also provide you with classics like "Rome" and "Spartacus" which has its fair share of full male nudity. But if you're asking the more subtle question of why isn't it more commonplace the answer is as trite as the question in that the female form has always been the standard for the concept of human beauty. You can attach whatever political or social monikers to that way of thinking that you want but it doesn't dissuade the science of human psychology. It is not purely a male thing either, the majority of lesbian pornography is consumed by women. It is why effeminate men the world over are widely more accepted than masculine women. I bring up the concept of psychology because whether certain subgroups of our social and political diaspora want to admit it there is a difference in the way males and females perceive and approach the world. Inserting my own bias here because I am curious to know your own perspective, would you rather see the nudity itself, or have it described to you? I ask this because my personal take is to have it described or left vague for my own mind to fill in the blank, knowing my own fantasies will far outstrip the reality. I understand that everyone has their own personal taste but the scientific studies show us that males are visually driven creatures where females are more mentally driven, the entertainment industry has distilled this to a mathematical equation.
I don't think you're unusual in your tastes. It's just odd behavior. The world is vast and wide enough that you can satisfy most desires both perverse and wondrous legally and yet you claim to have difficulty doing so. With the myriad of shows and movies that are on streaming sites, many of which become the flavor of the week in mainstream online blogs this seemed like an odd question to ask. If this was indeed your question then a quick Google search would answer for you what you'd like to know. My thoughts on this start becoming speculative at this point and rather than dry up a potential watering hole for conversation I'll not press the matter further, at least not without motivation. but I will say the material you are looking for is plenty available and so I am left wondering if asking the question was the true goal of your writing.
For the sake of maintaining amicable relationships I will be upfront and honest. My goals are always upfront and honest motivated by curiosity. I am very anti-confrontational having many social anxieties but the internet and what anonymity it provides sometimes inspires me to respond to something I find odd or inconsistent. Through the grapevine your article came to me and I wondered to myself as my brain lingered upon it, what motivated someone to write this? It actually felt like odd serendipity really since a friend of mine is working on a comic that involves the lesser known Olympics of the Greeks and rather than stay true to historical fact he was asked to draw the participants with loincloths. The reasoning he was given "So we don't have a bunch of floppy d**** all over the pages". Sorry for my lengthy responses, I do tend to ramble when I take the opportunity to talk to someone. Thank you though, for sparing me your time.
Interesting that your friend was given the reasoning..."So we don't have a bunch of floppy d**** all over the pages". I wonder why this is problematic. It must be one reason why cocks are not as frequently visible. I could, as you say google etc, but I don't have to search for female nudity. I don't find parity and I wished for there to be some.
The reason is simple, its fiduciary. The editor is aware that their target audience is heterosexual males. They are tapping into the market of males that admire the raw masculine power of finer specimens that is often mischaracterized as latent homosexuality, not that they're wrong in some cases, but the the stats are what they are. There just isn't the same market for male nudity as there is for female. This is made by the ever prominent porn bots on social media. I can understand your wish for parity but it is an on demand market. In truth I'd rather see the female nudity pared back a bit, the cup doth runneth over. Beyond that there is a definitive social psychological trend that enables female nudity over male, that being the idealistic form. Consider this for example, no matter how fit a man makes himself he still has to accept the size nature has granted him and faces emasculating criticism that is very often encouraged if he doesn't meet a certain standard. Yet consider the reverse, a female in the ideal level of fitness is much broader and the size of the market is of equal measure depending on the specific anatomy. There is the standard dichotomy of buttocks versus breasts but more recently an equal share of the market is dedicated to thighs. And of course there are more niche markets such as feet (imho is fuggin weird, but it is my opinion). My point is that even if a woman doesn't meet a standard in one market and faces criticism for it which is heavily frowned upon by society no matter what the likes of agitators such as Andrew Tate says there is always a market for a woman's nudity whereas for men the market is considerably smaller and much more standardized. I know this a lengthy explanation and I apologize again for talking your ear off but its a simple explanation that has a lot of data and reasoning backing it up. It ultimately plays into your original argument that you rebuffed, "No one wants to see it" which is reflected by the money people put out for it. Although, I think you find yourself in a unique position, you are such a creator, if there is something you want to read or see, why not create it, although I think you'll find investors in your creations a little more... blunt than I am.
I support this wholeheartedly, of course - but also: I am wishing for a step away from the part which goes "BUT we don't want to see THAT" meaning less than perfect bodies. It's like being unhappy with fruits and vegetables because they don't give you the euphoria of sugar and fat. We must expand the palate of our eyes... 😃
Yes. Yes. Yes. Who says what is perfect? The palate of our eyes must be expanded indeed! Healthy body image and reflection of reality. Yes. The ideal is loving your own shape... and all sizes and types. I am just tired of the protrayal of women. In my own romances I need to include more rounded characters. (Pun intended) And...for an audience who enjoy men well...I made my point. Don't want to ram it home. 🤪
Porn is a different kettle of fish and if women are not watching it their tastes are not catered for. With more female investors, directors etc this is slowly changing. Women consume huge amounts of romance and erotica and I believe there is a gap in the visual market. I do not have stats or research on this and we may have to agree to disagree :) . I'm going to have to trawl Netflix and find this mountain of nude male content you say is there. I just wonder where and how I'm missing it. We don't have Hulu in Ireland. I know there is something called Passionflix I must check it out. I'm not really thinking about Hollywood or arty productions either. I am selfishly defining mainstream as anywhere I usually engage with visual stories. I'm waiting patiently on the new Bridgerton series which is shifting the goalposts. (No male nudity but it's yummy). Anyhoooo I'll keep writing erotic romance novels and have my screenplays lined up for production. I'll definitely send you a free ticket for the male nudity and swinging cocks. :)
Assuming this is not a rhetorical question but one asked out of ignorance. If you are asking for it in the genuine sense outside the venue of pornography there is always the plethora of arthouse movies that show up on streaming sites and equate to smut with a convoluted story. These streaming sites also provide you with classics like "Rome" and "Spartacus" which has its fair share of full male nudity. But if you're asking the more subtle question of why isn't it more commonplace the answer is as trite as the question in that the female form has always been the standard for the concept of human beauty. You can attach whatever political or social monikers to that way of thinking that you want but it doesn't dissuade the science of human psychology. It is not purely a male thing either, the majority of lesbian pornography is consumed by women. It is why effeminate men the world over are widely more accepted than masculine women. I bring up the concept of psychology because whether certain subgroups of our social and political diaspora want to admit it there is a difference in the way males and females perceive and approach the world. Inserting my own bias here because I am curious to know your own perspective, would you rather see the nudity itself, or have it described to you? I ask this because my personal take is to have it described or left vague for my own mind to fill in the blank, knowing my own fantasies will far outstrip the reality. I understand that everyone has their own personal taste but the scientific studies show us that males are visually driven creatures where females are more mentally driven, the entertainment industry has distilled this to a mathematical equation.
I don't want it described to me or left to my imagination. Perhaps I'm unusual in my tastes, hence the question.
I don't think you're unusual in your tastes. It's just odd behavior. The world is vast and wide enough that you can satisfy most desires both perverse and wondrous legally and yet you claim to have difficulty doing so. With the myriad of shows and movies that are on streaming sites, many of which become the flavor of the week in mainstream online blogs this seemed like an odd question to ask. If this was indeed your question then a quick Google search would answer for you what you'd like to know. My thoughts on this start becoming speculative at this point and rather than dry up a potential watering hole for conversation I'll not press the matter further, at least not without motivation. but I will say the material you are looking for is plenty available and so I am left wondering if asking the question was the true goal of your writing.
I'll not press the matter further too as I'm unsure of the goal of your replies.
For the sake of maintaining amicable relationships I will be upfront and honest. My goals are always upfront and honest motivated by curiosity. I am very anti-confrontational having many social anxieties but the internet and what anonymity it provides sometimes inspires me to respond to something I find odd or inconsistent. Through the grapevine your article came to me and I wondered to myself as my brain lingered upon it, what motivated someone to write this? It actually felt like odd serendipity really since a friend of mine is working on a comic that involves the lesser known Olympics of the Greeks and rather than stay true to historical fact he was asked to draw the participants with loincloths. The reasoning he was given "So we don't have a bunch of floppy d**** all over the pages". Sorry for my lengthy responses, I do tend to ramble when I take the opportunity to talk to someone. Thank you though, for sparing me your time.
Interesting that your friend was given the reasoning..."So we don't have a bunch of floppy d**** all over the pages". I wonder why this is problematic. It must be one reason why cocks are not as frequently visible. I could, as you say google etc, but I don't have to search for female nudity. I don't find parity and I wished for there to be some.
The reason is simple, its fiduciary. The editor is aware that their target audience is heterosexual males. They are tapping into the market of males that admire the raw masculine power of finer specimens that is often mischaracterized as latent homosexuality, not that they're wrong in some cases, but the the stats are what they are. There just isn't the same market for male nudity as there is for female. This is made by the ever prominent porn bots on social media. I can understand your wish for parity but it is an on demand market. In truth I'd rather see the female nudity pared back a bit, the cup doth runneth over. Beyond that there is a definitive social psychological trend that enables female nudity over male, that being the idealistic form. Consider this for example, no matter how fit a man makes himself he still has to accept the size nature has granted him and faces emasculating criticism that is very often encouraged if he doesn't meet a certain standard. Yet consider the reverse, a female in the ideal level of fitness is much broader and the size of the market is of equal measure depending on the specific anatomy. There is the standard dichotomy of buttocks versus breasts but more recently an equal share of the market is dedicated to thighs. And of course there are more niche markets such as feet (imho is fuggin weird, but it is my opinion). My point is that even if a woman doesn't meet a standard in one market and faces criticism for it which is heavily frowned upon by society no matter what the likes of agitators such as Andrew Tate says there is always a market for a woman's nudity whereas for men the market is considerably smaller and much more standardized. I know this a lengthy explanation and I apologize again for talking your ear off but its a simple explanation that has a lot of data and reasoning backing it up. It ultimately plays into your original argument that you rebuffed, "No one wants to see it" which is reflected by the money people put out for it. Although, I think you find yourself in a unique position, you are such a creator, if there is something you want to read or see, why not create it, although I think you'll find investors in your creations a little more... blunt than I am.
I support this wholeheartedly, of course - but also: I am wishing for a step away from the part which goes "BUT we don't want to see THAT" meaning less than perfect bodies. It's like being unhappy with fruits and vegetables because they don't give you the euphoria of sugar and fat. We must expand the palate of our eyes... 😃
Yes. Yes. Yes. Who says what is perfect? The palate of our eyes must be expanded indeed! Healthy body image and reflection of reality. Yes. The ideal is loving your own shape... and all sizes and types. I am just tired of the protrayal of women. In my own romances I need to include more rounded characters. (Pun intended) And...for an audience who enjoy men well...I made my point. Don't want to ram it home. 🤪